I thought about posting this in /b/ but figured I'd get more real responses here.
This idea is kind of inspired by the "need to get a Bible" thread. There's quite a bit of biblical discussion on pol as of late, so why not pick some passages and discuss them?
Considering the time of year, with Easter coming up, I thought, why not talk about Isaiah 53 and its fulfillment later on in the gospels. I'll add my comments later once I have time, but if this gets enough traction, make it a weekly thing
Psalm 91 is my favorite.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-7
Amen. I'll go ahead and share photos of my Bible, it's beloved to me.
I'm also partial to Joshua 10:14 because of the dramatic wording of it
All of these verses are so profound and I feel such an immense sense of peace after reading them. I'd love to read more if you're willing to share.
there are only a few I remember off the top of my head and it's mostly because they're so dramatic, like Matthew 26:64. I like the ominous but also kinda cocky "you have said it", and John 19:30's "It is finished"
concerning Christ's last words on the cross there have been a number of oratorios written on them*, my fave's by Franck
I'd actually love to see this thread grow and share this sort of stuff weekly. Feel free everyone to share your favorite Bible passages and anything related to it. This thread made me feel good.
as a final quote for today I had the quote but had to look it up because I didn't remember the chapters, etc; it's Revelation 21:5, the phrase "see, I am making everything new!" or close to it.
I love how OP was like
>Hey guys, let's discuss Isaiah 53
And then literally nobody did and the thread is now post your favorite Bible verse and no intelligent discussion whatsoever. This is why everyone thinks you Christians are retarded
I mean, I can post my favorite verse too and tell the op to fuck off for trying to actually have a real discussion. This is why nobody posts on the boards here.
Because just like all of you, Jesus is a giant bitch
I sincerely pity you.
Thread is only a day old, quitcher bitchin
read moar learn moar
So I will reveal myself so that you know from whom you are hearing.
Here is my response to Isaiah 53
Jesus fulfills the Messianic prophecy in Isaiah 53 by being beaten and crucified for no crime. He also as he's being beaten and carrying his cross keeps his mouth shut when insulted. He fulfills literally every tenement of the prophecy of the messiah's death to a t. If you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah after the events surrounding his death, then you need to find a new religion. It's why Jews have various Messiah watches throughout passover every year. It's because they missed the mark. Oddly enough , the word sin comes from archery, missing the mark. Has to do with self improvement more than evil nature
stop being an ass.
cry harder, if you have nothing constructive to add, just idk, don't engage. We're trying to be civil here
This Week reading is Matthew 5-7 and Luke 6. As I did last week, I will add my commentary a little bit later
Jesus fulfilled the law with his sermon on the mount and on the plain. He proved both Daniel and Isaiah correct with his teachings, He also pissed off the government officials while doing it. Sound like something happening now? Antichrist watch maybe? Seeing as it is Palm Sunday this weeks reading is John chapter 12. You will see why Isaiah 53 was suggested before.
>Sound like something happening now?
not really, not at all
Pathetic agnostic fool. The OP merely suggested a verse. We're having mature discussion and exhanging thoughts on our beliefs.
Atheists are such drama queens. Such bullies. You take every opportunity to put people with religious beliefs down and call them stupid. Get a life.
Bro, look at what's happening to Trump. He's the knight in shining armor coming to save the day, being crucified by the leftist media and the deep state
ooooh, we're goofing, sorry
Goofing?You think Trump is some saint?
Uuuuh I'm not the one who suggested that idea
elaborate what you think is goofing then instead of just shitposting and not adding anything to the conversation
I was being dead serious... maybe intellectual conversation isn't your strong point.
>Trump is a knight in shining armor
>You think Trump is some saint?
>I was being dead serious
Huh. Nevermind then, by all means continue with your thread and forgive/forget my meddling.
he isn't the antichrist, but he's definitely one of the false prophets. My money is on Zelensky
It's resurrection sunday Matthew 28 is the reading
God isn't real you idiots. If he really loved you, he'd want you to be independent, rely on each other more and not rely on the idea he'll save you when doing so would undermine the free will he supposedly gave you anyway.
Either god isn't real and you've been misled by a longrunning grift whose purpose was to amass people in a common in-group larger than direct p2p social interaction could allow for, or he wants you to become an atheist and would forgive you for being a good one at that anyway.
Forgot to say, comfy bible thread tho. Love all of you <3
you clearly haven't read the Bible or don't understand it if you think you can deny God's existence and still get into heaven. That's literally said in the Bible that if you do not acknowledge Jesus as the son of God, you will not go to heaven. Now, if you're an atheist, none of this matters to you because us believing in a "sky fairy" keeps us in line and behaving in society instead of being reprobates.
My take on Matthew 28
There is historical evidence of a great quake during the passover the year Jesus died. There were customs for burials that because of the sabbath, they had to wait until monday to go care for the body in the tomb. When the women arrived the body was not there. Many eye witness accounts from the soldiers said nobody was there to steal the body and there was no way the stone could have been moved. So either they were covering their asses and there's a lie being perpetuated by hundreds of people colluding together for a man who was hated by the general public, or Jesus rose from the dead.
Jesus appeared to his disciples and preached to them, informed them of their futures and gave them their great commission to bear witness of what they had seen so that others may believe and see the kingdom of heaven.
This was the culmination of the promise Jesus gave to his disciples, that he would make them fisher's of men.
The Next reading is Acts 7.
We have posters from all over the world but I believe a good majority of the people here are American. I point this out only because we are seeing a rise in America of joining a lot of the western world in roughly 30% of the population being openly atheist.
Now, America 20 years ago polls stated roughly 5%, now it's at 30%. So, some questions to think about while reading acts 7. In the time Stephen was preaching, at least in the region he was in, Judaism was just part of the culture. Similarly to how for a long time, Christianity was a part of American culture, or if you want to go further back in time, Italy, England, Germany, France, etc.
Every culture seems to go on a path that is, paganism>their deity>Reformation>Schism>Gnosticism>Atheism
We appear in America to be on the Gnosticism part right now, because that's the blending of pagan and deist rituals, and is leading to the rise of atheism.
Look at what Stephen had to deal with from the sanhedrin, who were the leaders of the law at the time, and look at the similarities in how Christians are being treated by our current government.
Now, I am not saying we are being persecuted, per se, but there are similarities, and the book of Acts is the guide for the Church. It explains how we should operate, interact with the public, and such. It is not a direct parallel, but some are there
I appreciate your comments. I like having an open discussion. I enjoy speaking to those of other faiths or no faith at all to get a clearer picture of what the world is. I truly believe the established religion of Christianity is imperfect and never will be entirely good, because humans are involved and we are not perfect and have free will.
I condemn things like covering up molesting children "for the sake of the image of the church." It makes you look worse. Rebuke them, replace them, and make it known that isn't tolerated. Problem is, there are a lot of people involved in churches who are Priests, Ministers, Preachers, who are doing it to fulfill their own personal desires and may not even be Christians at all. I have met atheist catholic bishops before, and they were only open to telling me they were an atheist because I'm a protestant and our word means nothing if they were brought against an arch diocese council.
I digress, feel free to read along and debate or dispute anything said here, I love a healthy discussion and an echo chamber is not healthy as we can see in modern politics worldwide.
God's Grace is greater, stronger, and more important than all the words in the Bible.
Yes. But the Bible also says those who deny Christ will not see the kingdom of heaven. Rather be safe than sorry when spreading the word, err on the side of caution, ya know?
Even those who cry Lord Lord but did not follow his commands will be missed. His grace extends to all, but there are terms.
There are no terms to God's Grace. You don't get to set limits to it.
God set the limits. James chapter 4 is a good read to explain this
Judgment is what we deserve
Mercy is not getting what we deserve
Grace is getting what we don't deserve.
However, Jesus himself said 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
There are limits to his grace.
Exodus 7:6 "Let my people go, that they may serve me"
Grace is freedom, but there are rules.
John 3:16 sets rules for receiving God's grace.
Jude 4 talks about turning God's grace into a license for evil.
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
So God already did this
yet God's Grace remains untouched, and unlimited
Fine, go murder and rape people and then say sorry Jesus at night before you go to sleep.
It is disappointing that that's as far as your appreciation for Grace takes you, but it will be well.
Jesus himself says go and sin no more. Acting like grace has no limits means there's no reason to be christlike, which is in complete conflict with scripture. If you had any solid arguments to back up what you were saying, I might actually come to some middle ground, but instead you're sources are "trust me bro." When it comes to God, I trust no man, only his word. Have a nice day :D
all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be wel
So as I: said earlier, Acts 7 shows the persecution and stoning of Stephen. Are we as Christians willing to hold our faith to the point of death?
This weeks reading is Matthew 18:15-19
It is about holding each other accountable in a just and righteous way
Daniel is one of the more important books of the Bible as it gives a look to the end of the kingdom.
jesus was better in the qaran
vid unrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPVkpWMH9k
USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST Hallelujah
if its unrelated why the fuck are you posting it, dickfuck?
because he's testing the limits of what can get his dumbass banned
Fuck your dog shit video and your dog shit quran.
someone's never read or even been near a qur'an
Who has believed what we have heard?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by others;
a man of suffering[a] and acquainted with infirmity;
and as one from whom others hide their faces[b]
he was despised, and we held him of no account.
4 Surely he has borne our infirmities
and carried our diseases;
yet we accounted him stricken,
struck down by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the punishment that made us whole,
and by his bruises we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have all turned to our own way,
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By a perversion of justice he was taken away.
Who could have imagined his future?
For he was cut off from the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people.
9 They made his grave with the wicked
and his tomb[c] with the rich,[d]
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him with pain.[e]
When you make his life an offering for sin,[f]
he shall see his offspring, and shall prolong his days;
through him the will of the Lord shall prosper.
11 Out of his anguish he shall see light;[g]
he shall find satisfaction through his knowledge.
The righteous one,[h] my servant, shall make many righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will allot him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he poured out himself to death,
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Conflict of Nations and Heavenly Powers
10 In the third year of King Cyrus of Persia a word was revealed to Daniel, who was named Belteshazzar. The word was true, and it concerned a great conflict. He understood the word, having received understanding in the vision.
2 At that time I, Daniel, had been mourning for three weeks. 3 I had eaten no rich food, no meat or wine had entered my mouth, and I had not anointed myself at all, for the full three weeks. 4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river (that is, the Tigris), 5 I looked up and saw a man clothed in linen, with a belt of gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6 His body was like beryl, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the roar of a multitude. 7 I, Daniel, alone saw the vision; the people who were with me did not see the vision, though a great trembling fell upon them, and they fled and hid themselves. 8 So I was left alone to see this great vision. My strength left me, and my complexion grew deathly pale, and I retained no strength. 9 Then I heard the sound of his words; and when I heard the sound of his words, I fell into a trance, face to the ground.
10 But then a hand touched me and roused me to my hands and knees. 11 He said to me, “Daniel, greatly beloved, pay attention to the words that I am going to speak to you. Stand on your feet, for I have now been sent to you.” So while he was speaking this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 He said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia,[a] 14 and have come to help you understand what is to happen to your people at the end of days. For there is a further vision for those days.”
15 While he was speaking these words to me, I turned my face toward the ground and was speechless. 16 Then one in human form touched my lips, and I opened my mouth to speak, and said to the one who stood before me, “My lord, because of the vision such pains have come upon me that I retain no strength. 17 How can my lord’s servant talk with my lord? For I am shaking,[b] no strength remains in me, and no breath is left in me.”
18 Again one in human form touched me and strengthened me. 19 He said, “Do not fear, greatly beloved, you are safe. Be strong and courageous!” When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Let my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.” 20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Now I must return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I am through with him, the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I am to tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth. There is no one with me who contends against these princes except Michael, your prince.
oh, but what about (NIV):
Isaiah 43:4 & 55:6
1 John 5:13
Mark 9:23 & 16:16
2 Corinthians 5:7
1 Peter 2:9
and last but not least
Merchant Of Venice Act 1, Scene 3, Line 98
do you understand the context of what I posted?